Life in a Fourth Turning: Rethinking Taxes, Passports & Exiting the System

Hello, everybody. My name is Nuri Katz. I'm the president of Apex Capital Partners. We specialize in citizenship by investment. We help people get second citizenships.

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I want to start this session about life in the Fourth Turning and how the world is changing by telling you a little story about my own life, and then getting the opinion of my fellow panelists about where we're going.

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It feels like now we know the world is in a state of flux, with wars, prices going up, inflation, and who knows what is happening. It reminds me very much of 1990. In my last year of college, I went to college in Canada, and that year I moved to the Soviet Union, to Moscow. I ended up living in Moscow for 23 years.

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In December of 1991, the Soviet Union fell apart. It completely fell apart. It became 15 different countries: Russia, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, and other countries. The flag of the Soviet Union came down and 15 flags came up. All of the states of the great Soviet Union became independent countries.

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If you would have asked me in July of 1991, a few months earlier, if the Soviet Union could fall apart, I would have said, “Are you crazy? It’s the great Soviet Union. How could it fall apart?”

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It looks like now the world is sort of in the same kind of situation. We can look at America and the situation in America, where there is insane debt. That is what ruined the Soviet Union: debt, wars, and all sorts of other things. What we can’t imagine could happen has happened, and can happen. Nolan, what do you think of that?

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Thank you. I’m Nolan Bauerle. I host a morning show every day that treats this idea you’re talking about. It talks about how Bitcoin, the economy, nationalism, and countries themselves are what I call a psychological engine. Even my word for economics on the show is a psychological engine. Bitcoin happens to be a psychological commodity.

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You can see right now Bitcoiners’ enthusiasm and optimism, the kind of future they’re trying to induce in the world. That is partly why we see all these people here and why people are planning for the future.

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On my show every morning, I try to make predictions, because predictions are a sign, if you get them right anyway, that the worldview you had when you made the prediction was accurate. You can sort of triangulate your opinion that way.

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I made a prediction two days after Donald Trump was reelected as president in 2024. I hosted the Montreal Bitcoin meeting where you were. This was two days after the U.S. presidential election. I walked into the room with a bunch of Bitcoiners and I said, “Canada woke up today in mortal danger. The country probably won’t survive another year.” The whole audience said, “What are you talking about?” Maybe even the Bitcoiners on stage with me said, “No, we’ll be fine. Canada will make it.” This was before Trump started with his 51st state thing.

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I will tell you, and I’ll make the prediction: Canada, the second biggest country in the world, is probably not going to make it through the year. It’s probably not going to survive this year.

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I can’t imagine it as a Canadian.

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It’s over. It’s finished.

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The reason I did that at the time was the psychological engine component. I looked at Trump. His national security advisory at the time was all businessmen. He didn’t trust the military because of what happened to him in 2020, and what happened to him in his first term when he was hardly the civilian commander in chief.

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We haven’t had a civilian commander in chief of the U.S. military, at least since Canada’s time. We’re reinterpreting our own history in America, but it’s been a while since we had a civilian commander in chief of the U.S. military. Trump appointed a bunch of businessmen. I said, if you’re a businessman and you want to survive and you want America to perpetuate, what are you going to do? As a country, as a national entity, you’re either growing or you’re dying.

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If he’s assigning a bunch of businessmen, how are they going to grow? They’ve got to grow now. They’re not going to die. A business instinct is to perpetuate and live. They’re not going to go to the Middle East. That’s all crazy. They’re just going to go and take a bunch of Canada.

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Canada won’t separate as one entity. It will break into pieces. My timeline now looks very accurate. Alberta has a referendum coming up in October. They’ll likely win. If they don’t, Quebec is already threatening their referendum, and they don’t even want to govern. The separatist party in Quebec tried to separate in 1995, and they said at the time it was because of money, and that’s why it failed.

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Money is indeed what kept Canada together. Canada was created for want of banking. The U.S. Civil War ended. England was not going to put any more money in Canada because the Republican Army, the Grand Army of the Republic, was going to take it as loot and plunder. Canada copied U.S. federalism exactly, except for banking. Banking is a federal jurisdiction in Canada. The point of Canada is to build east-west infrastructure using this trick of a centralized financing mechanism.

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They never built the infrastructure. Canada is in mortal danger for that reason. They didn’t build the economic ties that bind. The divorce papers are already written. We know how to break the country apart. The psychological engine is breaking. Canada will not survive. It’s just another example of a country based purely on its fiat currency that is going to be wiped out. It’s going to be subsumed by something else. I don’t know exactly what’s going to happen, but it isn’t going to make it.

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I was talking more about the chance of the United States falling apart, but maybe first it’s going to be Canada. Peymon, what do you think we should be doing now to deal with this situation?

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My name is Peymon Mottahedeh. I’m the founder and president of Freedom Law School, which I started in 1996. My focus is more on those of you who are Americans and helping you live free, no longer being a slave.

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The fact of the matter is that we’ve been lied to about so many things so many times by our government and our media. One of the biggest brainwashing jobs they have done to us is they have you believe that you are weak and the IRS is the monster god that will eat you alive if you don’t file and pay your income taxes every year.

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You sign that 1040 under oath. You swear to your master: I owe you this money. Please accept all my deductions and expenses and pick on somebody else instead of me. Please don’t audit me. I’m just a good little slave, and I’ve got this little sheepherder called an accountant, a CPA, that does his best to keep you from hurting me. I’m putting all my faith in this guy.

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The fact of the matter is that no law requires the people of the 50 United States to file or pay federal income taxes. I don’t have time to go into all the details now. You can come by our table and grab this book, or go to FreedomLawSchool.org, to verify why no law requires 99% of Americans to pay income, payroll, corporate, or estate taxes.

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It’s a huge claim. How many of my students are here? How many people from Freedom Law School? We’ve got a few there.

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The thing is, the IRS is not powerful if you stop listening to your accountant or CPA who has you sign that 1040 confession form under penalty of perjury. Read the 1040 you filed and signed last year and gave to the IRS. Ask your CPA: Why did you not tell me what “under penalty of perjury” means where I signed that form? Why did you not tell me that by doing that, I could go to prison for three separate federal tax crimes that could put me in prison for nine years for that one signature you told me I should do to be safe from the IRS? Watch him babble around some excuse that won’t make any sense.

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According to the IRS’s own information, there are about 80 million nonfilers in America. That’s people that made above the minimum requiring them to file income tax. Are people in prison or having their bank accounts and paychecks stolen? Of course not.

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You’re right. Nobody believed the Soviet Union was going to fall apart. Most people do not believe it, but it’s true: the IRS is imploding from within, just like the Soviet Union did.

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Stop taking part by stop paying tax, and check it out for yourself at FreedomLawSchool.org. I’m here for you guys because from Iran, where I came from, we had no freedom of speech to criticize the king. Here we have freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, the right to jury trial, and so much more. We need to exercise our rights. Use it or lose it applies to bodybuilding, and it applies to your freedoms as well.

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GMONEY, what do you think we should be doing now? I love you.

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We’re all with this guy. There’s no question.

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My name is GMONEY. I host a weekly podcast called Rugpull Radio on Rumble and Badlands Media. Look, this is a story as old as time. It goes back to the Roman Empire, which ended up diluting its silver coins, and the empire fell. This cycle just continues for humans over thousands of years.

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People centralize their power. They get greedy. They get sloppy. The people get enough, and the thing centralized collapses under a new tyrant. It just repeats itself.

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We were going into that same reset. We were going into this surveillance state, digital credit score, complete control over your finances. But other people, good people in the military, had a different plan: a good reset, a transition away from these tyrants that continually exploit our energy.

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We’re deep into this Fourth Turning right now. Empires are going to collapse and new sovereign people are going to rise up. This isn’t theory anymore. As was recently put, Bitcoin is reality. This is digital 1776. Bitcoin is the Declaration of Independence in cyberspace.

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From 3,000 years ago, when the god king and England wanted to tax Americans, we had enough back then. We fought with guns. We said, we’re done with this. But we’re in a fifth-generation war. We’re in a non-kinetic war. The battlespace is the information war. The battlespace is cyberspace.

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Bitcoin is really harnessing the energy grid to weaponize the entire planet at the individual level. Jason Lowery’s Softwar thesis actually proved this, where individuals can harness the entire energy of the network at the individual level to protect themselves from the IRS, politicians, and military. They can’t take their Bitcoin. They can’t confiscate it. They can’t block it.

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What we have is centralized god-king abstract power, which continually prints claims on your energy at zero cost to them. They are taking your energy. They are exploiting you at every level. There is only one way out of this, and the way out is to simply opt out.

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You’re not going to vote your way into having some new freedoms. You have to take that freedom back. We have to stop complying. Complying is giving energy. It is giving consent to the corrupt system itself. If you are sitting here yelling at a politician or yelling at the IRS, that’s not the problem. That system you can’t change. You have no power or authority. You’ve given over your power and authority by voting and by being in their banking system.

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The only way to take your power back and take your agency back is self-custodial Bitcoin. That’s really what this comes down to. Stop complying. Opt out. Tell the IRS to go fuck themselves. That’s what it comes down to.

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I’ll look at what you were saying about America and this topsy-turvy Fourth Turning that we’re in. You look at this reality and this changing reality, and it ends up manifesting in language in very simple ways.

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Before the U.S. Civil War, you would have said, “The United States are,” because state-level sovereignty was a reality. The United States are created by sovereign states getting together to create the United States. They had to centralize a lot of power in order to win the Civil War. After the Civil War, you started to hear, “The United States is.” They turned that plural into a singular.

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Fast-forward to the next Fourth Turning and the Second World War. We went 80 years between the Revolutionary War and the Civil War, and 80 more years after the Civil War to World War II. World War II was a further centralization of this power. It created these institutions. It created this idea of the federal government. Washington, D.C., as we know it, is a product of the World War II consensus. They won the war with war bonds, a bunch of bureaucrats, and aircraft carriers. After that, the federal government is, or the Fed is.

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World War III is a flip of that whole frame. We’re going back to “the United States are.” We’re going back to state-level sovereignty reawakening. Under Trump or Biden, you had Texas moving away from Joe Biden during those years. Now you have Minnesota, where obviously there is fraud, but they are trying to get their sovereignty back from oversight of the federal government. It is about the money they are stealing from the IRS and all the fraud, so it is going to go around in circles.

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You have this antagonism between states. America itself is reawakening to its state-level sovereignty, and state-level sovereignty is much closer to the sovereignty of the individual. It’s a step change, and America will change as a result of this. We’re moving toward much more human-scaled, human-level sovereignty that is accessible to us.

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The reason for that is Bitcoin is imposing this new moral absolutism on the entire world: thou shalt not steal. It’s making everybody compete. It’s imposing a free market so that nobody can print energy for free. Anything that is tied to natural law will survive. The unboundedness of these fiat institutions and fiat creations will all naturally die off because they cannot provide value within that system.

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One of the things I look at as a solution is diversification. That’s what we’re talking about, diversifying into Bitcoin and keeping your cold wallet in your house. But there’s also something else I notice about Americans and the U.S. dollar, which is what we all are in. We’re all sort of centralized in U.S. dollars. How many people here have currencies that are not U.S. dollar based? Maybe a couple. Diversifying out of the United States, for Americans, might also be a solution. Most Americans hold their money in U.S. dollars, and their assets are mostly in the United States. Maybe diversification to other countries is also a solution.

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It’s not going to work. Basically, this World War II consensus was that every country was allowed its own fiat Ponzi, and that was important because the fiat Ponzis of the Canadian dollar and the Mexican peso were all only a reference to the U.S. dollar. They had no meaning if there wasn’t an exchange rate with the U.S. dollar. The U.S. dollar was like the metric system of the fiat Ponzi.

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What Trump is doing is saying that all of your fiat Ponzis are getting shut down. There are not going to be any other fiat currencies with stablecoins. You’re going to see bimetallism, which was the system that existed in America before the Federal Reserve was created. It wasn’t the gold standard. It was silver for consuming and gold for saving.

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That is what The Wizard of Oz is really about. It wasn’t ruby red slippers and a yellow brick road. It was silver slippers on a gold road, written during the McKinley presidency. The tornado was populism. It was the MAGA of its time. It was the Donald Trump era of its time.

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What’s happening now is all the fiat currencies are going to get shut down. They’re going to get wiped out. The Genius Act is loading the U.S. dollar weaponization, because no American is going to get yield on the dollar domestically. They’re going to drop. Now the Federal Reserve is going to be subordinate to the U.S. Treasury. We’re getting back to the republic and the Federal Reserve.

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Trump said last week he’s going to have the Federal Reserve chair in the White House so he can push him around and bully him. We’ve already got the Secretary of the Treasury. He punched out the new Fed chair. He’s threatening the old one. He’s punching anyone who doesn’t like him in the face. That is the Hamiltonian system. That is the American system reemerging.

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You’re going to see others, Canadians for example, get 10% yield on holding stablecoins, and eventually the stablecoin is going to die too. They’re going to have to go to Bitcoin. We’re entering into a world of global bimetallism. The U.S. dollar and Bitcoin are going to coexist for a little while anyway, but the other fiat currencies are all going to be shut down.

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Are you not assuming that the BRICS countries are...

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BRICS is already nothing. They gave up. They capitulated.

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I don’t think if you ask them, they would say that.

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The Saudis are with America. They’re our greatest ally. We should be throwing the biggest party of the year for Saudi Arabia, one of our great allies.

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I agree that Saudi is with the U.S., but China isn’t. Russia isn’t. India is sort of...

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Iran? They love it. I can’t wait for more.

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Russia is selling them arms.

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Weak arms. We know they don’t work. We wipe them all out.

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I think what you’re doing, and what I think everybody in America assumes, is that America is as strong as America thinks it is. I don’t know if that’s the truth. Maybe you can talk about that.

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This war with Iran is obviously Iran winning, because Iran is the porcupine. It is surrounded by mountains and deserts. These drones are like a boa constrictor trying to consume a porcupine. The more you push, the more you can hurt yourself. What that means is going to be more inflation in America, more unrest in America, and more people waking up to say, “Hey, what’s going on with our money out there? How come we’re not taking care of our people here first? We’re up to $40 trillion in debt. We spend money on wars instead.”

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State sovereignty is very important, as you heard from Nolan. But more important than that is that sovereignty comes from you, every one of you. As a sovereign human being, your rights come from God. That’s what the founders recognized in the Declaration of Independence.

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What happened is we were raised ignorant of the law and our rights in the Constitution. That’s what happened to me. In 1992, I was taught by some patriots about the Constitution and the law, and that income tax is voluntary for the people in the 50 states. I didn’t believe it. But I went to a meeting and I demanded to see the law. They showed me the law.

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You have to take the time to think for yourself by educating yourself about all this and expressing your sovereignty by no longer being a slave. No longer put the yoke around your neck on that 1040 and give it to the IRS to pull, to audit you, to harass you, and put you in prison. They put filers in prison, not the nonfilers. They got you to believe that if you stop being a slave and stop putting a 1040 around your neck, you are going to be in trouble. Your accountant, your CPA, is an accomplice in lying to you and deceiving you to remain a slave.

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That’s how they got Americans to take the COVID jab: you’ll die if you don’t take the jab, you’ll kill grandma. People lined up to take the jab. The same thing is going on with income tax.

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I’ve been following him for seven years. I appreciate that because that’s the way out of this. In this system, if we’re thinking bigger, you live in a zero-sum game. When someone wins, someone else has to lose. That’s the network you belong to right now.

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The Bitcoin network, everybody gets to win. You get to join an infinite game where your life gets better, things get cheaper, things get faster, and things become more accessible for you. In this system, you are complying with the tyranny that is around your neck, like he’s saying.

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When you really get down to it, Bitcoin is the most secure, largest network in the entire globe. This isn’t just about America. This isn’t just about Iran. This is an entire worldwide declaration of independence to the tyrants. The proof-of-stake shitcoin democracies are over.

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We need to understand that by complying, by filing your federal income taxes, you are aiding and abetting a criminal enterprise. Full stop. You are aiding and abetting genocide, Ukraine, the whole thing. It’s up to the individual to say, no more. I am taking my power back. I’m taking my agency back. That is the new world. That is the new passport. Your self-custodied Bitcoin is your passport. Governments will compete for you to come to their country if you have to choose. You can go anywhere in the world, and it’s happening right now. It’s a beautiful thing.

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The good news is, folks, you’ve got to recognize that they hold us by deception. Once they deceive you that you’ll die if you don’t double-mask and stay six feet apart, you’ll be afraid. Once you’re afraid, then you take the jab and whatever they tell you, as a slave. The same thing goes on when they have you afraid that the government is more powerful than you.

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Let me tell you something. I haven’t filed or paid income tax for over 33 years, openly. The IRS knows it. I’ve been teaching at conferences like this since my hair was black. The IRS has tried to stop my freedom of speech, to not wake up slaves like you to be free. I said no. If I wanted that, I’d go back to Iran, where I came from. I’m here in America, the greatest country on earth.

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The only thing that keeps us from being free is our ignorance. I’m going to cure that by educating myself. No longer am I afraid of the IRS. Neither should you be, and you will no longer be robbed and enslaved. Go to our website and stop income tax withholding from your paycheck for free. That’s right, for free. If you are self-employed, stop sending quarterly estimated payments to the IRS.

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By the way, the Secretary of Treasury just told everybody to start filing exempt.

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I live in Antigua, a little island in the Caribbean. In Antigua, we don’t have income tax. It just doesn’t exist, which is a wonderful thing. It’s a huge change in life. It actually can work. Not having income tax can work. You can change the tax system. You can make it a consumption-based tax, so you pay on what you use, and it can work. But in America, you choose not to have that happen.

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America is changing fast. Very fast. Faster than you know. America, in its brief 250-year history, has changed more than any other country has changed. Each one of these cycles, we completely alter our history and reinterpret our history. Even within history, it is not normal for people to identify their nationality as part of their personality. More localism was the way people identified themselves before, and it looks like we’re headed back toward that. Once the fiat currencies can’t fund Canadian national identity or Soviet national identity, it’s going to wash away. We’re seeing it already around the world.

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This country was funded by tariffs from 1776 to 1913. What was created in 1913? The Federal Reserve and the IRS. Shocker. If you go back even to the ’80s, Ronald Reagan’s Executive Order 12369, the Grace Commission, back then they proved that 0% of your federal income tax dollars went to any public service or public good. It all went to paying interest on the debt.

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You’re all goyim. You’re all tax slaves in this system. There’s no way out of it. The only way is to opt out. If enough of us do it, we’ll need about 3.51% of the population, and it’s a DDoS attack on their enforcement bureaucracy. You can’t arrest every single one of us. You can’t send the military to all of our houses to take our seed phrases.

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This is the revolution. This is digital violence. This is the moral high ground saying, “No, I no longer support the exploitation of my energy to do things that are against my morality.”

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Guys, we’re coming up to the end of it. I want to thank you for a really lively conversation. I didn’t expect it to be so lively, but these guys are great, so please give them a hand.

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Thank you.